Posts by Old Navy

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Just a survey

by Homer notsimpson in

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just to get others opinions and experiences.

out of everyone in the jw organization, how many do you think never get caught doing a "gross sin "?

and how many do you think actually get caught?

My involvement with the witnesses began in the summer of 1957. One of my close friends in high school was a witness and that is when I became aware of it. I was baptized by the witnesses, but back then it wasn't a baptism into the society - it was done biblically in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I attended meetings at the Kingdom Hall, participated in the Ministry School and was a publisher who went from door to door. The young people in the congregation frequently had parties where dancing and kissing were indulged in without any adult supervision or chaperoning. Apparently we were trusted to not to go too far. We had normal relations with our worldy classmates and friends and even dated them if we desired. My witness classmate was steady with one of the girls in class who was a Presbyterian. Looking back to those days, while comparing things with how the society operates today, clarifies poignantly the degree of increased control and cultish procedures.

Was that congregation unusually loose? Have any other old-timers had similar experiences?

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How Knowledge is Dissipated in Talks

by Cold Steel in

londo111 » each congregation has a “talk coordinator”.

talk coordinators will coordinate with other talk coordinators in order to find speakers to give the public talk on sunday.

typically, they come from the general area: the circuit or a nearby circuit.

Old Navy

Well now, the discussion is interesting but wild. What a range of demonstrated tolerances and maturities!

I'd say the title of the thread is entirely apropos; Knowledge is nearly completely dissipated by Watchtower protocol and procedure before it is even spoken to the attentive congregations. What is disseminated is dogma and doctrine conceived of by men with little appreciation for The Word.

Thankfully, I somehow was able to resist the brainwashing and mind control techniques so leaving The Cult was far easier for me than many who participate here who are still visibly suffering from the abuse.

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I am back... after 8 years.

by Preston in

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it's been 8 years, but i am back.

my health has returned.

what did i miss?.

Old Navy

Aye, "Health Returned" is always very good news!

Care to give us a rundown on how things went?

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I appreciate "our" free speech.

by The Rebel in

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i had given serious consideration too leaving the board.

i rationalised my views on " muslims" we're not held by the majority so i should leave.

but this would have been wrong thinking, instead i should appreciate the platform i was given to debate with free speech.

Old Navy

Quote from Nancy Drew:

I was a fool when I became a witness...

Upon reflection I would say that is a Profound Truth which applies to all of us!

An unpleasant experience to be sure but at the same time beneficial. Sometimes it is necessary to walk in the shoes of the heavily burdened and exploited in order to comprehend their misery.

Thank God for hindsight.

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I appreciate "our" free speech.

by The Rebel in

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friends

i had given serious consideration too leaving the board.

i rationalised my views on " muslims" we're not held by the majority so i should leave.

but this would have been wrong thinking, instead i should appreciate the platform i was given to debate with free speech.

Old Navy

Now that it has been accurately and reliably determined that Radical Islam is in fact a creation of the Intelligence Services of the United States, the United Kingdom and Israel in order to unleash terrorism for foreign policy interests, is the discussion altered in any way?

We seem to be presently living in a World of Cults arranged somewhat like the layers of an onion.

The New World Order is one gigantic Cult.

The United States Government is a Cult.

The Educational System is a Cult.

The Health Care System is a Cult.

Religions are Cults.

etc, etc, etc...

Some families are Cults.

Is it really any wonder why we're all so screwed up?

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Day 1: The Night of Anger, Tears, and Pain

by Saethydd in

my freedom came with a heavy cost.

i couldn't stand the dishonesty so when my sister went out of town on a trip i told my parents that i no longer wanted to be a jw.

when my sister got back and i told her she was so angry, said she really wanted to slap me, then she ran off sobbing, a few minutes later she deposited every gift i ever gave her in front of my door.. my entire family has turned against me.

Old Navy

Aye, you've made a wise choice and it seems that you are handling the turmoil quite well.

Your family who remain within the Cult know not what they do; their actions are the result of the exceedingly deeply planted mind control indoctrination which is, very sadly, the only recourse they believe that they have.

As others above have already pointed out; it is essential that you continue to treat all of them with kindness and love when interactions occur. Most importantly, for your own peace of mind and sanity, forgive them completely for what they have done as a manifestation of their fears. For some this part is difficult, but the sooner any feelings of resentment, anger or hatred are let go of the more quickly will your recovery begin.

Best wishes to you. I believe, as the others have stated, that you will indeed do very well and that your healing will be complete.

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Whats in it for them?

by Moster in

i have been out for nearly 40 years now - baptized at 14 (although not to the org), but faded away.

but i am wondering about this:.

aside from the obvious power they wield, what's is in it for the gb?

Old Navy

Imposters

Actors

Crypto-Satanists

By their fruitage you shall know who is their father

and their god...

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The power of cognitive dissonance

by joe134cd in

i've been watching this reality tv program called "catfish".

it deals with people who have had a rough deal with internet dating e.g fake profile, money scams etc.

any way there was one episode that really stuck out to me that made me realized the power of cognitive dissonance in dealing with jws.

Old Navy

From David_Jay:

I think you mean to say "The Power of DENIAL."

Hmmm. It does seem that denial and cognitive dissonance operate simultaneously.

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The power of cognitive dissonance

by joe134cd in

i've been watching this reality tv program called "catfish".

it deals with people who have had a rough deal with internet dating e.g fake profile, money scams etc.

any way there was one episode that really stuck out to me that made me realized the power of cognitive dissonance in dealing with jws.

Old Navy

This is a really big one! Has anyone isolated the "hooks" among the lies propagated by the Watchtower which makes the process of cultivating strong allegiance so effective? For me it was the belief that the organization really was God's "chosen people" because everything, at first, seemed so clean and scriptural. It took several decades to finally recognize the depth of the deceptions.

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This really does not end well for God.

by pleaseresearch in

to say this whole creation thing has been or will be a success at the end is absurd.

not only did one third of the angels jump ship to satans side.

but adam and eve screwed up so quickly.

Old Navy

From EverApostate:

Cant god inactivate the rebelling angels in a split second, stripping them off their power. (Or even faster since he is infinitely powerful)

He could. But He chooses not to. Could it be that permitting the

"war" to take place will eventually result in a better outcome than

preventing it? Many of us who've been into war zones and survived

come away with a much different attitude than when we went in. The

Gung Ho desire to destroy and obliterate gives way to shame and a

real hatred for war and violence.